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	<title>Comments on: Haarlem art: new life in a cultural graveyard?</title>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
		<link>http://karlzipser.com/2006/11/haarlem-art-new-life-in-a-cultural-graveyard-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demosthenes would put pebbles in his mouth and practice giving a speech.  (Richard Burton, as a boy, would practice the same, standing ashore before the bluster of the sea).  They were already exceptional and they continued to work at being better.

Better town.  Better community.  Better studio.  Better material.  Better...

Better work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demosthenes would put pebbles in his mouth and practice giving a speech.  (Richard Burton, as a boy, would practice the same, standing ashore before the bluster of the sea).  They were already exceptional and they continued to work at being better.</p>
<p>Better town.  Better community.  Better studio.  Better material.  Better&#8230;</p>
<p>Better work?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://karlzipser.com/2006/11/haarlem-art-new-life-in-a-cultural-graveyard-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, why are you picking on your mother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, why are you picking on your mother?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zipser</title>
		<link>http://karlzipser.com/2006/11/haarlem-art-new-life-in-a-cultural-graveyard-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zipser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birgit,

What kind of art do you do then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birgit,</p>
<p>What kind of art do you do then?</p>
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		<title>By: birgit</title>
		<link>http://karlzipser.com/2006/11/haarlem-art-new-life-in-a-cultural-graveyard-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am lucky with a place bordering on the Sleeping Bear Dunes in Michigan and a pied-a terre with my husband in Manhattan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am lucky with a place bordering on the Sleeping Bear Dunes in Michigan and a pied-a terre with my husband in Manhattan</p>
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		<title>By: Candy Minx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candy Minx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand many ople have been associated with their location and their art or literature.

I don&#039;t think it matters where you live on one hand.

I think cities are more tolerant than small towns. In a city one can be able to dress and love who they like without answering to superficial judgements as much as small towns. Gays and women fare much better in cities than rural areas. Soo...in that way not just art might benefit, but all people benewfit from being allowed to be who they are inside.

Isn&#039;t art making a lot about exploring personally who we are, what we believe, what we love and feel?

What is the purpose of our existence and life?

We can explore those ideas and the human condition anywhere in the world, no?

It hink more critical than &quot;where&quot; we live, is who we know...our support system in any profession is usually more important. Having friends who accept your life as an artist, which means you may not have the same finaicial prioroties as others, you may make a living but you spend money on supllies. One has to have a very patient and supportive spouse or lover to live like that.

Plus, amny adults measure their lives by how many toys they have, posh dinners, eleborate designer clothes...I think artists have their own flair and style and can find something out of nothing...but again it&#039;s not a lifestyle for everyone and narrows down those expensive dinner parties and going out for fancy dinners, holidays and toys.

Well just some ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand many ople have been associated with their location and their art or literature.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it matters where you live on one hand.</p>
<p>I think cities are more tolerant than small towns. In a city one can be able to dress and love who they like without answering to superficial judgements as much as small towns. Gays and women fare much better in cities than rural areas. Soo&#8230;in that way not just art might benefit, but all people benewfit from being allowed to be who they are inside.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t art making a lot about exploring personally who we are, what we believe, what we love and feel?</p>
<p>What is the purpose of our existence and life?</p>
<p>We can explore those ideas and the human condition anywhere in the world, no?</p>
<p>It hink more critical than &#8220;where&#8221; we live, is who we know&#8230;our support system in any profession is usually more important. Having friends who accept your life as an artist, which means you may not have the same finaicial prioroties as others, you may make a living but you spend money on supllies. One has to have a very patient and supportive spouse or lover to live like that.</p>
<p>Plus, amny adults measure their lives by how many toys they have, posh dinners, eleborate designer clothes&#8230;I think artists have their own flair and style and can find something out of nothing&#8230;but again it&#8217;s not a lifestyle for everyone and narrows down those expensive dinner parties and going out for fancy dinners, holidays and toys.</p>
<p>Well just some ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Clearly you are an argument disassembler after my own heart.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, an argument deconstructionist :)

I had to keep scrolling up from your answers to see my questions :) I think I agree with you overall. #s 1 &#038; 2 can be accomplished by travel and various kinds of correspondence, though #2 can be accelerated by spending some time in a city (arts center) or a good school program.

#3 (happiness) is vital, but is going to be drastically different for each person. For myself, if I won the lottery I&#039;d probably move to a rural area just outside San Francisco (which is not an arts center, but a great city), and travel a lot. But since cost of living and income sources are a consideration I&#039;m in L.A. at present (not that cheap, but I have a good job).

At the moment I&#039;m making some sacrifices on #4 (cost of living, time to work) to move forward #5, getting exposure and making connections. I still manage to get a lot of work done, but it&#039;s at the expense of sleep and similar luxuries :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Clearly you are an argument disassembler after my own heart.</i></p>
<p>Yes, an argument deconstructionist :)</p>
<p>I had to keep scrolling up from your answers to see my questions :) I think I agree with you overall. #s 1 &#38;#38; 2 can be accomplished by travel and various kinds of correspondence, though #2 can be accelerated by spending some time in a city (arts center) or a good school program.</p>
<p>#3 (happiness) is vital, but is going to be drastically different for each person. For myself, if I won the lottery I&#8217;d probably move to a rural area just outside San Francisco (which is not an arts center, but a great city), and travel a lot. But since cost of living and income sources are a consideration I&#8217;m in L.A. at present (not that cheap, but I have a good job).</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m making some sacrifices on #4 (cost of living, time to work) to move forward #5, getting exposure and making connections. I still manage to get a lot of work done, but it&#8217;s at the expense of sleep and similar luxuries :)</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Jago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Jago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: I like your list.  Clearly you are an argument disassembler after my own heart.

My personal answers are:

1 - doesn&#039;t matter.  I can travel
2 - doesn&#039;t matter
3 - matters a lot
4 - critical
5 - would only matter if I thought that I was going to make a living this way, and anyway is weakened by the internet.  See Rex&#039;s post on selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: I like your list.  Clearly you are an argument disassembler after my own heart.</p>
<p>My personal answers are:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; doesn&#8217;t matter.  I can travel<br />
2 &#8211; doesn&#8217;t matter<br />
3 &#8211; matters a lot<br />
4 &#8211; critical<br />
5 &#8211; would only matter if I thought that I was going to make a living this way, and anyway is weakened by the internet.  See Rex&#8217;s post on selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Crockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Crockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Compared to San Francisco or LA, Whibey &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; quaint and rustic. I&#039;m a native Californian, so I&#039;m still am amused by the &quot;Loganberry capital of the world!&quot; stuff and Washingtontonians proudly proclaiming, &quot;We grow more tulips here than in Holland!&quot;

In one little spot north of Sacramento, they grow more rice than Japan, and near there is &lt;em&gt;one ranch&lt;/em&gt; that produces more beef than the state of Nevada. I&#039;m used to a state that has the economy of a large European nation.

Loganberries. What the heck are loganberries?

Fact is though, I usually live in &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; wilder places than this. But the housing market here is healthy. A good place to buy old houses, fix &#039;em and and sell &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Compared to San Francisco or LA, Whibey <em>is</em> quaint and rustic. I&#8217;m a native Californian, so I&#8217;m still am amused by the &#8220;Loganberry capital of the world!&#8221; stuff and Washingtontonians proudly proclaiming, &#8220;We grow more tulips here than in Holland!&#8221;</p>
<p>In one little spot north of Sacramento, they grow more rice than Japan, and near there is <em>one ranch</em> that produces more beef than the state of Nevada. I&#8217;m used to a state that has the economy of a large European nation.</p>
<p>Loganberries. What the heck are loganberries?</p>
<p>Fact is though, I usually live in <em>much</em> wilder places than this. But the housing market here is healthy. A good place to buy old houses, fix &#8216;em and and sell &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Call</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep Kris - quilts are art and paintings are craft.  We&#039;ve already nailed that one down:

http://www.artandperception.com/2006/10/artists-talking.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep Kris &#8211; quilts are art and paintings are craft.  We&#8217;ve already nailed that one down:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artandperception.com/2006/10/artists-talking.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.artandperception.com/2006/10/artists-talking.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art vs. craft. The distinction was called into question for me by the exhibition of quilts from Gee&#039;s Bend at the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco. Nothing fits the definition of &quot;craft&quot; more readily than a utilitarian object made out of necessity by women in the most desperate poverty. And yet, the objects were displayed in a museum as art. What makes them art? They certainly were pushing the boundaries of their medium - which according to Karl&#039;s definition makes them art. What if they weren&#039;t quilts but paintings? As part of the exhibit, there was a display of etchings make in collaboration with the quilt makers, using their imagery.

In my own work, I&#039;m not pushing any formal limits, just trying to be the best painter I can. Does that make me a craftsperson rather than an artist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art vs. craft. The distinction was called into question for me by the exhibition of quilts from Gee&#8217;s Bend at the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco. Nothing fits the definition of &#8220;craft&#8221; more readily than a utilitarian object made out of necessity by women in the most desperate poverty. And yet, the objects were displayed in a museum as art. What makes them art? They certainly were pushing the boundaries of their medium &#8211; which according to Karl&#8217;s definition makes them art. What if they weren&#8217;t quilts but paintings? As part of the exhibit, there was a display of etchings make in collaboration with the quilt makers, using their imagery.</p>
<p>In my own work, I&#8217;m not pushing any formal limits, just trying to be the best painter I can. Does that make me a craftsperson rather than an artist?</p>
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